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Friedrich 2025, 3 days after Zelensky's historic show in the Oval Office

The Bucha Curse

The conversations about Zelensky's fiasco in the Oval Office on February 28, 2025, miss the most important point. We have seen the behavior of a person who is not completely sane. You cannot expect any kind of rational reaction when you mention Russian President Putin in the presence of Zelensky.

An insane person has a fairly good understanding of the real world, only some small areas of that understanding are irreparably distorted. Zelensky's area of distortion is everything related to Russian President Putin.

I will call this psychological feature the Bucha Curse.

Imagine that you are the president of Ukraine in May or June of 2022. Some areas of your country have been liberated, and every day you receive new reports of Ukrainians being tortured and killed in the former occupation zone. And you have seen the corpses with your own eyes.

You keep thinking about the things you could have done wrong.

The whole world tried to warn you about the imminent invasion, but you did not believe these warnings. You believed that Putin was peaceful but paranoid. You showed Putin that Ukraine was not preparing for war. Your goal was to make your country to look weak, and you succeeded in making it weak.

This has allowed the Russian army to take over large parts of your country.

What's more, Ukrainian civilians in those areas feared the Russians were going to invade and were ready to flee. It was you who had used all available state media and all your charisma to persuade them to stay.

They were killed because of Putin, but they have stayed to be killed because of you. That is the responsibility you have to share with Putin.

You keep thinking about this day and night.

A strong man could take personal responsibility and carry this sin all his life. The psychological torture of self-blame was too much for the weak President Zelensky to bear.

Internal psychological mechanisms protect people from self-destruction and replace dangerous thoughts with illusions. Zelensky has washed away his feeling of guilt in the Bucha massacre by creating an internal belief that Putin is such an evil monster that Zelensky could do absolutely nothing to save the people.

If it was impossible to do anything before the Russian invasion, then Zelensky is not responsible for any of his actions. No one was capable of doing anything better. It is the evil Putin who takes all the blame. Zelensky's own guilt is reduced to zero.

Even better, he is not an idiot, but a hero who did everything he could for the sake of the country and the people.

The agreement was to be signed by another Ukrainian government official. There was no logical reason for Zelensky to come to Washington and speak to President Trump in person.

It was the Bucha curse that forced Zelensky to fly to Washington to prevent Trump from making this "grave mistake". He came to the Oval Office to warn Tramp and to fill Trump's head with his own distorted understanding of the Russian monster Putin.

Note that if you can negotiate with Putin and he keeps his promises, Zelensky's internal image of Putin will be proven wrong.

Consequently, this could destroy Zelensky's psychological self-protection, and his guilt will run rampant. That would destroy him.

We saw that the Bucha curse had taken over President Zelensky's reasoning near the end of his historic performance on February 28, 2025.

You cannot blame him. But I doubt that you can cure him. He is the lost cause.

***

I have two additional notes.

I am partly describing my own personal feelings.

I had conversations with Ukrainians before the Russian invasion in February 2022, and I kept convincing them that a full-scale war would not happen.

It was obvious that Putin was not interested in a long and bloody war. It was obvious that an easy blitzkrieg was absolutely impossible. (I was sure that Ukraine would stay strong, and described the reasons on the second day).

It could be that my reasoning influenced someone to make a disastrous decision before the invasion. That person may not be able to tell me this because he or she is already dead. We will never know.

Yes. I was wrong about Putin's rationality. This is my error. You must never underestimate the stupidity of the people.

My second comment is about Ukrainians. Most of them have done not enough or even nothing to prepare their country to defend against the Russian invasion. They are also affected by the Bucha Curse. I will not explain the consequences here. The crazy Ukrainian art of war and other effects of the Bucha curse have been the subject of other posts.

See also An open letter to undisclosed recipients /13 kB / 2023-08-19


[ Project: War_202202_NsF_Psy RU DW ]: Черновик краткого учебника новейшей истории / / 2022-03-19 (Список основных постов на тему разбора психологии войны 2022-02)

Date: 2025-03-03 06:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alex_router
От недавно посещающих ваш блог: что это? Автор? Цель?

Date: 2025-03-03 06:52 pm (UTC)
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As the dust settles, some things point to the theory that Zelensky did his WH performance on purpose. He played a role of "torpedo" to help Dem Party and UK to sabotage Trump admin and most importantly Vance's chances for a presidency. Dem media shows the last 7 minutes and avoids showing the first 40.

"Before meeting President Trump, Zelensky met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised him to reject the terms of the mineral deal that the president was offering, according to Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.)"

This is already being "debunked" everywhere as a conspiracy.

PM. Dems also organized "protests" for Vance over the weekend. So somebody at WH had leaked his itinerary.

Date: 2025-03-03 07:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gravelmonster
Это если предполагать, что Зеленский каким-то образом переживает об Украине или украинцах.

Вот например его контора клоунов в инстаграмме запулили мемасик. Фото пианино с намёком на то, что Зеленский поводил Трампу по губам.

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Date: 2025-03-03 06:55 pm (UTC)
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Все эти построения базируются на призрачном утверждении:

You keep thinking about this day and night.

Понятно, что писатель барин. Лично я не могу себе представить подобные душевные терзания у наркомана.

Кстати, про бучу уже вспоминают только полностью-полностью отбитые Ukrainians. Не позорились бы.

Да, и поинт про неких якобы единых Ukrainians - ложный. Их таких не было и нет.

Date: 2025-03-03 07:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] xoxlobandera

Не, я не мог так начать потому что я наркоманов не лечу.

По поводу всего остального, я согласен: писатель - барин.

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Date: 2025-03-03 08:42 pm (UTC)
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Я тоже считал, что вторжения не будет, ошибка была в том, что я не учел, что он себе во всех коммуникациях построил положительную обратную связь - докладывать царю, что где-то непорядок было плохой стратегией.

Date: 2025-03-03 09:28 pm (UTC)
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Два или нет - не очень важно, важно, что там нет дураков проверять, что будет если второй раз грозно спросят.

"- О великий и блистательный повелитель! Наипервейшая обязанность придворного состоит в каждодневном упражнении спинного хребта, дабы последний приобрел необходимую гибкость, без чего придворный не может достойным образом выразить свою преданность и свое благоговение. Спинной хребет придворного должен обладать способностью изгибаться, а также извиваться во всех направлениях, в отличие от окостеневшего хребта какого-нибудь простолюдина, который даже и поклониться не умеет как следует."

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Date: 2025-03-03 11:20 pm (UTC)
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ой, да бросьте вы, сложные переживания

вот например я написал Nov. 30th, 2021 01:56 pm
https://straktor.dreamwidth.org/16900.html
"Будет ли русско-украинская война?"
Думаю, да.

каковы же были ответы собеседников?
самый первый -- "Всё мимо"
sposterig -- "украинцы в целом не то чтобы не готовы, просто не видят смысла готовиться."
тот же xoxlobandera попытался заткнуть мне рот: "Эй, готовченко, с какова окопа посты строчишь? С диванного?"

при этом, среди моих украинских коллег относительно заметный процент, 15-25% на глаз, вывезли свои семьи либо сразу в Польше, либо во Львовскую область, там тур.отели зимой пустовали -- вероятно с собранным тревожным чемоданом

свою голову не приставишь, свои мысли не вложишь
не надо переоценивать свою роль, люди на меня, на вас, на Зелю, на Арестовича кашляли с высокой колокольни
а тем более украинцы
что они могли сделать? кто мог, свалил -- и довольно многие

писал в феврале https://straktor.dreamwidth.org/17845.html с конкретным фактоидом
(кстати в рб недавно тоже был сбор некоторых военно-учетных специальностей)

да всем пофиг было, есть и будет

судя по ответу Зели Линдси Грэхэму, это такой же чёрствый бессердечный орк, который для лулзов затроллил лоббировавшего его спонсора-кинутого лоха, которого он просто презирает и особо не загоняется

Blasius 2025

Date: 2025-03-04 01:18 am (UTC)
dennisgorelik: 2020-06-13 in my home office (Default)
From: [personal profile] dennisgorelik
Who is "Blasius 2025"? Is it your another nickname?

Blasius

Date: 2025-03-04 02:54 am (UTC)
dennisgorelik: 2020-06-13 in my home office (Default)
From: [personal profile] dennisgorelik
> Blasius was in February. March 3, 2025 is Friedrich. (1175 Sel. Friedrich, Abt zu Mariengarten)

How is it connected to Zelensky's insanity analysis?

Date: 2025-03-04 01:32 am (UTC)
dennisgorelik: 2020-06-13 in my home office (Default)
From: [personal profile] dennisgorelik
> Bucha Masaque

Do you mean "Bucha Massacre"?

Not just Putin

Date: 2025-03-04 01:39 am (UTC)
dennisgorelik: 2020-06-13 in my home office (Default)
From: [personal profile] dennisgorelik
> It is the evil Putin who takes all the blame.

I think Zelensky blames not only Putin, but the rest of Russians as well (at least, to some degree).
In the first days of war in February 2022 Zelensky addressed Russians and asked them to prevent the war.
But most Russians did not protest Putin's invasion.

So Zelensky is bitterly disappointed in Russians since then and no longer puts any meaningful effort to attract Russians to his side (which would have improved Ukraine's position a lot).
Edited Date: 2025-03-04 01:41 am (UTC)

Date: 2025-03-04 02:50 am (UTC)
dennisgorelik: 2020-06-13 in my home office (Default)
From: [personal profile] dennisgorelik
> Yes, but this is an obvious consequence.

Only in retrospect.
A sane person would not want to increase the number of enemies and reduce the number of potential allies.
How could you predict that Zelensky would spread his hatred towards Putin on all Russians [until you observe it in real life]?

Date: 2025-03-05 01:21 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Q-silver

Чувство по 2022 году очень знакомое - "Ну не может же он ударить растопыренными пальцами. В два раза меньшими силами с пяти направлений. Это явный sabre-rattling" Оказалось может.

Что касается Зеленского - его программа в 2019 была:
- просто перестать стрелять
- взглянуть в глаза путину
- сойтись посредине
- всем учителям з/п по 4,000 евро

Нетрудно заметить, что Трамп коего сейчас 73% завзято ругают просто выполняет программу Зе-2019.
За исключением 4,000 евро.

Поэтому распирало его в овальном кабинете не ответственность за Бучу (с**ать он хотел на людей), а ущемленное эго.
Если Трамп, Венс и Рубио выполнят его программу, которую он честно пытался два года реализовать, но не преуспел - то что ж выходит, он лошок какой-то в 47 годиков?

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Date: 2025-03-05 12:07 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
В принципе справедливо было бы, чтобы американцы сильно помогли Украине, на которую напал агрессор. Можно было бы надолго остановить агрессивную политику России. Но рациональное решение будет принимать президент Трамп, который (если оппоненты не смогут договориться) не остановится даже перед самыми неожиданными действиями. Его позиция срочного мира и окончания войны остается неизменной. Ожидаются перемены.

(frozen)

Date: 2025-03-05 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Позорные действия США только на руки Путину. Украину, жертву агрессии, понуждают к миру через силу.
И США ни слова не говорят о наказании агрессора. У вас ещё остались сомнения на чьей стороне Трамп?
А не нанести ли Зеленскому дружественный визит в Китай?

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