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vit_rYou may consider our story as something extraordinary but unfortunately such point of view is too optimistic.
This is not a result of some wrong deeds done by some bad people. This is a way an internally corrupt system normally works.
Our civilization is sinking into the age of total dilettantism. This trend affects all areas including science, industry, finances and moral values.
Swiss education system is simply on the frontier of regress.
This is not a result of some wrong deeds done by some bad people. This is a way an internally corrupt system normally works.
Our civilization is sinking into the age of total dilettantism. This trend affects all areas including science, industry, finances and moral values.
Swiss education system is simply on the frontier of regress.
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Date: 2019-01-30 01:18 pm (UTC)I know what the German circumstances look like, and you get to hear the decisive bits here and there what the story's like in other countries.
Switzerland is not among those they speak a lot about...
But I'd always like to know what this looks like concretely to create an inner structuralistic map (instead of a map consisting of generalized assumptions).
...Ah, can respond in German if you like.
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Date: 2019-01-30 04:12 pm (UTC)The level of Swiss education is lower than in Germany. I think even lower than in NRW! However I could admit they have more foreign language lessons because French is the second obligatory language of the state. (It seems they are ready to dispose of it in the German part in the near future.)
Schoolbooks are worse. Also are the public school teachers I have seen.
The price of private schools is above 2000.- CHF/month and in most cases you pay not for an extraordinary education but for a less aggressive environment.
However private schools and special schools are the places of exile for "improper children" and my sons have met many interesting kinds of them, both peaceful and not.
If I compare the German and the Swiss education systems I would say in one sentence that this is an ignorant incompetence vs. an aggressive incompetence.
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Date: 2019-01-30 04:40 pm (UTC)You know, German education system is pretty fucked too.
The thing with "less aggressive environment" is something I can relate to circumstances here too.
Especially the concept "Gesamtschule" comes to mind in this.
They totally worked down school other than what gets you A levels. Just from hearing experiences and tales of other people in school age, I often thought "er, how to you learn anything in this atmosphere??" - because it simply sounds like life in a shark tank.
And that already was so 10 years ago as still not much time had passed since I left that stage of life.
Personally, I don't expect it to have much improved until these days.
About the politics in the education sector, ah, I think it's better to get not started 'cause this would be a constant rant about federal and general government incompetence...
Bad to hear that the same kind of stupidity reigns everywhere.
Can't express it differently.
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Date: 2019-01-30 06:44 pm (UTC)I think I make a separate post for comparison.
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Date: 2019-01-30 07:34 pm (UTC)I just ask because that concept did a lot of damage to the education system too, in my opinion.
This crap I sure could rant a lot about myself if I wanted to.
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Date: 2019-01-31 07:37 am (UTC)Our daughter had studied in a shortened program in a class of "gifted" children. This allows to leave this system one year early. It seems this is the only one positive aspect.
I doubt teachers had any idea how to improve their lessons for this program and how to use the potential of carefully selected students.
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Date: 2019-01-31 01:28 pm (UTC)Basically, I also can't find much more of an advantage than just "being one year earlier out of school" in the 12-years-school course. (But even that raises the question: What for? To enter job life one year earlier, which you'll curse early enough some time in your life?)
Turboabitur, as I experienced it, was hell. Not the general education niveau you got challenged with (at that time, my brain actually liked that), but just the way how all that was done: There literally was no free time for anything. Get yourself a USB-interface built in to your neck and then keep plugging in the sticks containing the knowledge you need for the moment...
Literally, they only removed one year from learning time, but kept the contents to learn in that time stretch.
Timewise, it was more like a preparation for how work life is supposed to look like - as you hung around in school just as much time as other people worked. No less than that.
Before "I" already wasn't doing so well in regard to some "fellow students", but this omnipresent stress what school kept adding on top of this, it really made "me" wanting to set this house aflame and kill everyone in it.
At the end of it, I was really burnt out. Exhausted and tired.
I think the tempo of this "revised" Abitur system also contributed to the chronic disease I'm subject to these days.
...Well, I should add for the fairness that these days maybe a few things already are changed on. Not too many I expect, but some - as even back in the day, teachers already let us know what things the next year after us wasn't supposed to do anymore on their course to A levels or what had been changed on their circumstances already. Like, for example: English exams with a two-languages-dictionary. My year had to spend with an English-English dictionary for that still...
For my federal state, I was in the first year of their new Abitur system.
As far as I've seen it, until today my federal state came up with the toughest new system of them all (of all who redid their Abitur systems). All others have to endure lesser classes in numbers as Leistungskurs on their way to the exams.
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Date: 2019-01-31 04:14 pm (UTC)Modern German school mistakes Hamsteredge for Knowledge and extends the Perfection Gap instead of removing it. Most teachers do not have any understanding of the educational psychology, of the pedagogic and even of the disciplines they teach. The explanations of simplest things in schoolbooks are chaotic, abbreviated and incomplete.
This creates a stressful environment for students and leads to the necessity to lower the demanded knowledge level for graduation.
This decine also affects the higher education levels and the typical work environment. Education methods are getting worse even in top universities. Businessmen complain that the young people are unable to use the basics of mathematics and await detailed instructions even for simplest tasks.
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Date: 2019-01-31 05:56 pm (UTC)This is a thing I kept hearing about if compared GDR school books compared to most of the West German ones (also the modern ones).
During the current talking about "Digitalisierung" in schools (meaning: introducing tablet computers and such stuff into schools as regular tools), this exact message keeps popping up, directly or indirectly, from people who are acquainted with those fields, especially people from neurosciences which know about the process how a brain starts to wire itself from birth to adulthood (and further).
Scracthing a bit on the surface, quickly makes it clear, behind this whole trying to force computers way more into the normal learning process at schools nothing but the usal lobbyism hides.
...Well, but that even wasn't what I wanted to say.
Being interested myself into this part of neuroscience, I can't deny that those people are right in rejecting all this crap.
Complex structures are based on more simpler structures. This is sort of like a law you can keep in the back of your head in brain development...
So, if a child doesn't even learn the simple structures, there even needs to be no talking about the more complex skills that are attached to that. It simply won't make it or struggle so hard like an untrained person which tries to run a marathon.
The modern education system - also the modern private habits of parents to park their child in front of smartphones and tablet computers - works counterproductive to that. And that even in a highly toxic way.
They don't support this "leaning the simple structures", or rather not for skills that children desparately need later in life, they encourage the learning of entirely useless skills. And then keep wondering how that comes that students do so bad in general performance tests in even the most simple cognitive skills.
I think, the best comparison I ever heard was: In the end, from button pushing, their thumbs will have an incredible muscle strength like fuck, but they maybe won't even know how to read, how to write their name - or to hold a cup because all other muscles in their hand have shrunk to nothing (that's something I would add).
This happens because those things are, increasingly, more subordinate to a money-making machine, less to scientifically-validated recognitions.
Economically- and dominion-motivated propaganda and trench wars in pedagogy and other sciences have so deeply torn and twisted the disciplines that it barely becomes visible in this what is factually right and what is factually wrong.
So, in the end, who donates the most money to some stupid politicians and media outlets gets to win the direction over the commonly accepted opinion for an estimated amount of time.
What this fraction wants becomes the strategy that takes place in kindergartens, schools and universities.
And only many years later, when barely anybody cares anymore, it happens to be released officially: This way was all wrong. It did more damage than advantage. (Lately this has been the case here with the learning method "Schreiben nach Gehör" - if you happen to know the term.)
When at least one generations' brains has already been fucked up by this nonsense...
Science about brain development from an objective point really opens eyes in this. In many things that can go wrong in a human's brain development.
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Date: 2019-02-01 06:45 pm (UTC)Unfortunately the actual decline of the European education is a result of synergetic effects produced by many "ordinary" people following their private financial or social interests. They are not evil by nature but rather do not understand the consequences of their "small deeds" or they are a bit dishonest and place the "small harm" they produce below their egoistic reasons.
We also must remember that the financial flows are now controlled by organizations that are too often led by incompetent, egoistic and unmoral management. This are people who could spend millions to get a personal promotion or to prove their department produces some important work.
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Date: 2019-02-01 11:29 pm (UTC)I rather find: It's hard to get together the right words and language to express it to someone else what you have in mind. 'Cause this image would be like a novel to write down...
...Well, and parts of that also go hand in hand with my disease. I notice that often enough when writing, when I lose the train of thought...
That's what I was driving at with the "trench wars".
There are so many theories originating from individual peoples' minds sometimes - some more scientifically based, other totally a matter of personal belief, or a matter of own suppressed childhood traumata -, meanwhile it's hard to tell, even from the inside of the scientific circles, what is true of all of that and what can be tossed into the trash can right away.
Then you have the commercially-driven theories which add to this mess which either are factual bullshit from the start or which turn one theory into a biblical commandment that it factually isn't...
At the end of this, you have an undefinable mash where barely anybody knows anymore what of all of that carries some truth in it in any way.
And so shitty politics have an easy go for developing...
There only needs to be one person with enough money in his private stock who favors one theory then and he will pay some politicians to turn this theory into state policy. Nobody will stop that from happening because barely anybody's able to object that with professional knowledge - due to this mess in the scientific discipline itself.
It's not like physics where very basic stuff has been proven a long time ago and you even get to hear that in school (normally) meanwhile, so that you can judge yourself "eh, what this guy's trying to tell me is utter nonsense!".
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Date: 2019-02-02 11:58 am (UTC)There was a time in Germany when a man had only 2 hones chooses: to fight from inside and to fall or to flee and to fight from outside. There were many people who did this and a lot of them have survived. They could teach the next generations many important things and it is a big discovery for me to find remaining bits of information they have left for us. Unfortunately the German after war education is based on the experience of the people who failed to fight, to win or to survive.
This is understandable psychical protection of the society that tries to cover the unpleasant reality with a myth of a bad Hitler who had deceived good Germans. But this point of view demands to install false "trues" into most basic levels where the new generations consider this "trues" as obvious.
They are not.
Note, this is only for information. I know how hard it is to question the values you have considered as granted since your childhood. I had to do it myself and I had better conditions for this because the society in which I was grown up was fallen apart.
It is quite normal to "lose the train of though", if you were not trained to keep it together.
If you image is like a novel, you could try to write a real novel. As far as you give names, backgrounds and internal forces to your character you could find out that same of them are caricatures of unmoral parasites that are evil by nature or are willingly evil for money. If you read something good about the psychology of fraud you could see that there are no such people in real life.
For instance there was no one evil mastermind who created the politic movement of global warming prevention. There were many scientists who were happy to produce "a bit dishonest" papers that provided them with grants and administrative positions. There were many businessmen who were happy to get government money to produce the things they could not sell otherwise. There were many journalists who were happy to get the attention of the public with frightening topics. There were many politicians who where happy to use the generated fear to win the peoples' votes. There were a lot of poorly educated people (even with PhD) who did not see the logical problems in the global warming theories and were happy to be frightened by them.
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Date: 2019-02-02 02:19 pm (UTC)I have gone through one version of West German education system, but neither I'm originally from West Germany, nor has my brain been socialized with purely West German mindset.
The older I get and the more knowledge I acquire about things, the more I notice this difference.
Even though I wouldn't consider myself as "East German" or "GDR citizen" - I'm neither one of one or or the other fraction. And there are things that disturb me about both mindsets... As well as I wouldn't guess that GDR would consider me less a threat at times than the West German state.
But, what I notice these days in conversations with other people who are from West Germany is: There is something in the equation here which can't be ruled out and it can be traced back to that.
One thing, for example, is their often acted-out self-centeredness. The lack of consciousness that there can be other ways to exist, the habit of expecting all things that they're used to to be universal for all other people.
And, in combination with that, they constantly stir in their own juice. They spin in circles and never find a reasonable answer to a problem because they never get upon the idea to take a step back and do something totally different from the position of outside knowledge. They always act only inside of their gridlocked system - like a woman which steadily complains about her alcoholic of a husband, but never she makes the step to leave him in order to get back her own sanity. Co-dependent - that's how they behave.
And even if you lay down this pattern to them so they can openly see it, they somehow don't listen. I can't get it why, maybe you can call it "their kind of stupidity" or maybe plain "(general) Western arrogance to believe to know it all".
...Yeah, the term "Besserwessi" isn't so far-fetched. Unfortunately, even a post-Wende grown up child like me has to say that.
No, I notice this "losing train of thought" comes from my disease. This hasn't always been the way here.
I have a degenerative nerve disease that takes place in the brain, so thinking can be affected by it.
Those effects don't come over night, by its systematic way of functioning you only see it over time.
And I can clearly say, this hasn't always been the way here. This evolved.
It doesn't play well with my systematic view on the world as it can lead you to forget what you started with while drawing a complex map of anything for somebody. Such portraying is already hard enough as most people tend to not understand the world this way, either you encounter the Western bean counting which doesn't make it to see the connection of one thing with the other, which doesn't make it to think interdisciplinary, or you encounter that style to generalize from just one or a seclected fews examples, even though that's factually a bit risky and rather archaic (in the psychological sense).
Both positions alone don't make it to draw an image of the world which meets the real circumstances.
But people seem to break a leg cognitively if they tried to link both concepts - if they tried to become able to regard one entity isolated in its objective ways to function, but also be able to note this entity's ways to function in connection with other entities in a bigger context (called "system"). And then, also to keep track of the other entities' acting and fucntioning as single objects at the same time.
People really seem to have a hard time to make it to this level of understanding and apply this general way of thinking to a lot of things in life - or things they get presented with in media (whether mainstream or not)...
I find this often hard to explain with words - with neutral words that everyone might be able to understand and not interpret anything political or emotional into it again. Humans I encounter often are so stupid to exactly do this - they're emotionally highly biased, but aren't aware that.
That emotional bias often leaves them to not look at a thing from an objective view, but just through their emotionally disturbed lens. I guess, they also can't differentiate between their "negative experience" - their emotional bias - and the factual level. They perceive both as one, maybe even confuse one with the other at times.
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Date: 2019-02-03 01:13 pm (UTC)Unfortunately the modern school does not teach children to think with pen and paper.
Wessi and Ossi are different in many aspects even in post-wall generations but they have common roots which are very deep. Some beliefs were emerged probably even in the catastrophe of the Thirty Years' War.
I have seen how "ex-GDR-West-German" education affects my children. They have not the "German mindset" and my daughter had many arguments with teachers (especially in the time they described the "modern view" on the WWII) but it was impossible to go through years of German education unaffected. There are many implanted mental errors that have made them weak against manipulated "truths" created by mass media or a total state.
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Date: 2019-02-03 04:24 pm (UTC)This was because I was interested in those things and open for information.
And partly before, during school time, I had something else than just school which taught me some basic things about the general concept this world functions like.
Something... well... "outstanding" in that sense, which most people surely won't have.
From that thing, I learned something directly - through the words of that guy -, then through how the public reacted to him (including media), and then again some other aspects through the people which that event let me meet in an internet forum which was about this guy.
That guy was someone who gave himself the fight name "ResistantX". If you put that name into a search engine, I think you'd see right away what this was about...
His words directly had the effect on my brain to feel not alone anymore with some views it had back in the day. Somehow his choice of words was something that appealed to my self back then...
More than that, stuck in my head from that is the reaction of media onto him: They tried to draw the usual image of a monster, all the while you could just go and search the internet for his original words to make up your own mind (and these did not reflect the image of a "monster", more that of a desperate and hurt young man which the world constantly said to "FUCK YOU!").
If you see media lie like that and distort things, which you can even check out the truth by yourself like this, you don't forget that anymore. If they do it one of those times, who can certainly say they don't do this with other subjects too?
Then the forum I was in back then - even have a community round here named
Even how that forum fell apart later let me learn the healthy necessary bit of paranoia you should better have if hanging around in the internet.
Meanwhile, I even deem it a good experience to get yourself an inner map about how extremism structurally works. Some do make these with Nazism, some with radical leftism (anarchism, eco-activism etc.), well, my brain made them with this.
Even though I struggle with personality issues, somehow I could trace down this topic that I somehow have connection with it emotionally and that it created a different base in my mind to look at politics than it does for most (West German) cliche-leftists.
And, I must admit, these days, I even see the differences between RX and me. Differences that already existed back then. I definitely see the flaws and ever don't wanna think like him. There are enough critical flaws, resulting from him being only 18 back then and from him being of West German origin.
...Ah, this is a text for the community I mentioned which deals with these sorts of flaws - that he also only took over from traditional West German anarchism: https://rx-de.dreamwidth.org/2018/10/11/polzei-staat-feindseligkeit-im-linksextremismus-denkfehler.html
Maybe this demonstrates a bit what I mean...
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Date: 2019-02-03 10:53 pm (UTC)It is impossible to build a socialistic society with real people on base of something other than terror or religion. The most prominent today sample is the North Korea which has created an atheistic religious socialistic monarchy. I know only a handful of people who have enough internal information and personal observations to understand how it works. But even they do not know, is the peoples' love to the Loved Leader a sincere feeling or an artistic play. It seems nobody knows this for sure, even the North Koreans themselves.
The willingness to kill and to suppress other people in name of an idea is a sign of a corrupt mindset.
This willingness my be used by the state or an organization or it may be activated by a hatred against the state, an organization or specific people. It also produces such organizations as the Gestapo, the SS, the RAF, the NKVD, the KGB etc.
This is a Trojan which is till present days installed in brains of boys by "education traditions" because the state of the past was in need of such people and the modern society does not notice the risks. Unfortunately, dark ages may return anytime.
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Date: 2019-02-04 01:10 am (UTC)Also call "nostalgia" into this. "Childish" I would support as a description too.
Personally I'm pretty opposed to both ways of understanding because it always is nothing more than sugarcoating something, painting it in colors it never really was.
Reality is what one must orientate by, only that's what feeds you, only that is what lets you survive.
Only that protects yourself from damage committed through other humans.
Also, I think it's good to reserve a little bit of misanthropy for oneself these days. Why? Because it prevents you from getting drawn too much into the touchy-feely mindset that the first world civilizations try to build up in their circles. This is the biggest source of clouding your view with unreliable information that is no good advise-giver in case of emergency...
I think a good example to take for this mystification-tendency that is commonly known meanwhile is the inflationary use of the terms "Nazi" and "fascist".
Each and everything that doesn't suit somebody's personal opinion is one of the two in an instant.
But... if you know a bit about the process how Nazi's mass murder over Europe came, that they came to build all these camps because they reached their limits of how many people they can kill manually on a single day and because they simply encountered a logistic problem of how to dispose of the mortal remains of those victims at once (the events of Бабин Яр), then you get a bit of imagination about the dimension what the term "Nazi" and "fascist" actually is settled down in.
Nazis aren't those braggarts whose only ability is to kill beers as fast as they can, or to bawl stupid phrases. Those are rather like class clowns.
Nazis are people which ask for a reason to feel remorse when killing thousands in assembly line work.
Fascists are people which still keep on kicking you while you already lie there almost-dead on the floor, and which pass on the psychological guilt to you for this state. (Just like during the incident in Odessa years ago, where they beat people to death down on the lawn who jumped out of or from the roof of the building to escape the fire, and the audience even cheered to this spectacle.)
In a more concrete picture: People like the guy from Hostel which first cuts through your Achilles' heel and then tells you "You're free to go, leave if you want!". People which had it planned from the start to leave you no real chance to survive and which downright enjoy the view of your pathetic appearance the moment when you die.
...That's very far from how this term gets interpreted these days.
About the days back then I get a bit unsure myself at times in terms of "manipulation".
The reason is how much already was revealed about past "projects" and interferences by secret services and all that stuff. Revelations about times not so long past - 10 to 20 years, not 50 or so.
All this is very well within the time frame this all took place...
I've also seen conspiracy theories about a couple of school shootings as an adult later.
I'm only unsure about it as to the fact that the internet before the big boom of Facebook and smartphones was still a more anarchistic world which authorities had very little access and comprehensive view about in case of emergency.
These things have rather all grown during the recent past decade.
...Even though, for selected cases, I won't rule it entirely out that there might be something fishy on them - as just the way media tried to or successfully used them for political campaigns still makes me suspicious (it even did so back then).
One knows that scheme from terror attacks from these days... (Specifically those aren't too much different overall from school shootings.)
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Date: 2019-02-04 11:14 am (UTC)It seems you understanding of the world is severally damaged by the German education system.
Just like during the incident in Odessa years ago, where they beat people to death down on the lawn
It is also hopelessly damaged by the Hollywood and mass media. Your explanations and examples are completely wrong in many ways.
This conversation is useless. You do not have enough real life experience to understand my explanations and you do not have logical tools to find the errors in the image of the world you have constructed for yourself. If something does not pass together in your incorrect proofs, you can always blame your dear disease instead of questioning the correctness of axioms you assume as granted.
You cannot understand the world by sitting in internet forums. You cannot understand people unless you speak with them face to face and see all their emotions with your own eyes.
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Date: 2019-02-04 04:31 pm (UTC)No, it was damaged by humans. Male and female. Again and again, once in a blue moon. And from the very start.
No. You could have told me so when my brain was 17, I admit. I learned that later when growing out of this "avenger"-role.
What I'll admit in this context too is that my focus probably very much runs with violence in many ways. That is something I have experience with and which I can deduce where it comes from, how it emerges.
People these days live in a lot of "ah, don't be kidding, this won't happen again..."-attitude.
But the reality is - the step over the line isn't such a huge one. It can even be fragile, a pretty fine line.
Depending on how much a critical mass of humans can be controlled by emotions and suggestion rather than logical thinking and farsight - so to say, depending on how educated of mentally mature they are -, they can be quickly turned into beasts who slaughter their own kind for nothing again.
Just saying: If one takes a look at who gathers on those marches supporting the far right and AfD-German-conservative mindset, who's the most present part of German society on these rallies?
Not the ones who suffer from hunger, from frost or who live on the streets.
They're from that part of German society who has a roof over their heads, who has it warm and which know how to fall asleep at night. It's not even those people who are at the edge of society and need to struggle to get by!
All of those neither have time nor the resources nor the physical strength left after their workday to join such a march.
According to that, the issues are which they head to the street. Ausländer, refugees, a German cultural identity that does not exist until today...
If that's all to rack one's brains about, then there's still a damn lot left to lose.
There's still a good bunch of space between the level things are now and the critical bottom.
But those people who march there, for them it's like the total bottom, and they keep reassuring themselves of this perception.
People who keep doing that for a while, they can become quite a weapon if the wrong circumstances meet.
But not the weapon that works in favor of the people - rather a weapon that works for the interests of the ruling class. Manipulable little kids which you can put onto somebody whoever you like to be gone. Again and again they think beating up that one guy will make the world better while it actually changes nothing...
If you can make a critical mass of people tick like them, then you'll have your next mass murder accepted and welcomed by the common people.
Why? Because they'll think "if we're rid of these (group X), then we'll be much better off".
Doesn't matter how much untrue this is, feelings are all that matter.
People highly manipulable by bare feelings, you can suggest to them whatever you want as "favorable to them", while it actually is the opposite.
So you can even turn back the wheels of time and install the common perception of triviality in everyday killing.
You just... need to know how to lead your sheep into the desired direction.
Much more trivial things from the modern times prove that how good that works.
I do not claim to understand everything, but I would guess I understand more than others in my age who really lived in the feel-good-bubble all their lives and take it for granted like the ability to walk.
MS is not an excuse, it is a circumstance that I can't get rid of in the meat that I have to live in. Period.
Btw, you tell me how unable I am to comprehend, who tells me that you truly are? Are you the God of Wisdom? Are you truly in the position to smile down on me because I'm caged in this flawed human shell that can't reach up to your God-like abilities?
I heard such bullshit many times before. And strangely, it was only people who weren't in the position to tell me how stupid I am.
Potatoes aware of how stupid they are themselves never tried to tell me with this absoluteness.
The worst potatoes which tried to do so even had much bigger and more screws loose than me metally (independent of my physical disease).
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Date: 2019-02-04 09:39 pm (UTC)Our world is not perfect but it is wrong to blame it for this. You cannot be damaged if you are resistant. You are going to be inevitable damaged if you are vulnerable. It is the main task of a proper education to prepare children for real life struggles.
By the way, I had known a blind software developer.
What I'll admit in this context too is that my focus probably very much runs with violence in many ways.
Your Holliwood-like description of the incident in Odessa is not simply wrong. It is impossible in the real world.
they can be quickly turned into beasts
This is wrong.
those marches supporting the far right
Do you try to prove the evil nature of humans by the fact that some of them have "wrong thoughts" and dare to show them?
People who keep doing that for a while, they can become quite a weapon if the wrong circumstances meet.
You are searching for the evil in wrong places. Did you speak with these people? Did you understand their moral values? Which base have you to judge them?
People highly manipulable by bare feelings
Did you try to manipulate people in real life? :-) Was this easy enough to do? Do you have at least some experience in management?
I would guess I understand more than others in my age
This may be the case but why do you compare yourself with infantile people who do not have experienced anything important in their lives? I have written about my explanations and my experience.
Are you truly in the position to smile down on me...
I don't smile down on you. I have no emotions and even no much interest because I have seen a lot of such cases. I do not expect that you correct even the smallest of your misunderstandings. I simply state the facts.
You describe the world as a screenplay for a bad Hollywood movie. Real life is different. It is much more complex. Real humans are different too. They are much less evil than you imagine.
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Date: 2019-02-05 12:05 am (UTC)Some phrase that I already threw quite a few times at an almost old man which just stays with his rambling that school should do the Erziehung auf children: Who are you alone with first? School - or your family? Who's the one to lay down the first traces in your brain?
A question of chicken or egg, who was there at first.
Why being resistant becomes so important to a soul?
Answer is: It is because you weren't always.
Resistance of my kind is the product of a process that was deemed necessary.
Ts, strange... Then what was it what the reports said and didn't said? What was it on one side - Western press almost keeping silence about it and using vague terms all the time in order to mask the violence that took place (they notoriously do that kind of strategy when they would actually have to admit something unpleasant of their agenda); and the opposite press using more concrete terms to describe what had happened? The reports of whitnesses that could even be found on YouTube about it?
Was it nothing? Just a spook?
Wrong thoughts I must tolerate at some point because I don't like it myself if other people try to change me against my will. Freedom of opinion is not a one-way road.
But, I can't completely ignore what they do if I'd be part of that group which these people went after if they achieved circumstances that rendered them "exempt from punishment" for doing so.
I think you're mixing two things up here. Me being cautious of humans is one thing. Studying their history in order to predict a little bit of the future - in my own interest - is another. One thing originates from negative experiences, the other is motivated by wanting to understand complex structures. The latter somehow is a thing which my brain seems to have talent for; I notice I can't avoid doing it, unless I'd give up my brains and die. Call it an inability to just be average and IQ 100.
Because, if you want to subtlely tell me that I'm not able to grasp some complex things you refered to, I get the the impression like you haven't seen everything in this point. Gymnasium was full of kids of the local middle class, full of a lot of kids who believed and practically experienced later "everything's possible" because they had parents and money supporting them on their way. No big deprivations that one could detect from the outside.
Compared to that, it was very few kids which were from a lower class who were among them even though. (You could recognize them by having a free annual ticket for the bus that they could request from school. Oberstufe didn't provide this equally in my county regardless of parents' income just like before until 10th class. Only the kids whose parents received Hartz IV had this. Btw, at this point most of them already came to school with their own cars, so you could recignize kids being a little bit wealthy too, even if those were self-earned. Poor people don't have as much money saved to have a driver's license and a used car ready at your 18th birthday.)
The older I get, the more I recognize this circumstance - that I went to school with the kids of the local wealthy class. Why? You recognize that by this "everything's possible"-attitude which was never the world you lived in. Neither the attitude itself, nor what lead to it (the financial wealth).
So, if you wanna tell me I'm stupid... Then go start hiding in a bunker. The world's already lost.
The quota of people having grown up in a wealth bubble and therefore being as naive as you can turn out of it is quite decent.
I don't expect it to have become fewer in the later years. Because - why should it? (Social media stupidity appeared later...)
Strange, I have abandoned them mostly too. Calculations I don't make based on emotions, I base them on facts too.
How about a little recognizing that life and humans weren't always kind to me? (just that little bit)
It ain't just always feelings. I've went through all that crap - distinguishing feelings from rational thought.
There was intensive studying about narcissism and how much it is a part of the mindset of wanting to become a kamikaze killer. Without that, it's unlikely you'll end up in this deadlock.
I didn't want to be controlled by that because it is stupid, meaningless in the end, and it contradicts my usual cognitive intelligence. Btw, there is a time for everything, but every intelligent brain should recognize if this time's long past and nothing will make those wounds disappear again.
And with that said mostly rational thinking, it still is a returning experience: This world rejects me and wants me to change without reason. It's all the "why can't you just be like everybody else?", which in fact is no reason, it's just "please, just don't challange anything of our system... just follow the rules without questioning them or developing an own position towards things. Just... FIT IN to our concepts. Can you?".
Why I don't want to adapt is: "You tell each and everyone in mass media every day this is a free society where everybody can do as he likes without anybody being entitled to lecture him... If that's the case, I want that right too. As unconditionally as you propagate it loudly.
If you don't really mean "freedom", then don't spread such bullshit. As long as you keep spreading that, I'll orientate by that too. I'm not less valuable than others so that I have no permission to utilize that right too. So - fuck you when wanting to lecture me like you attempt to..."
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Date: 2019-02-05 10:30 am (UTC)This is your faultily pattern: you do not understand what I write and substitute my words with some youngsters, oldsters and other characters you have met or imagined.
This is quite boring.
Then what was it what the reports said and didn't said?
Primitive manipulations and dumb imaginations.
The reports of whitnesses that could even be found on YouTube about it?
You are too naive.
and practically experienced later "everything's possible" because they had parents and money supporting them on their way
You have quite strange understanding of the word "experience". And you are arguing again not with me but with your internal opponents created by your imagination.
How many books did you read last year?
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Date: 2019-02-05 11:28 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2019-02-05 08:36 pm (UTC)I know psychology but my deep understanding is limited with the areas that are interesting for me or that are important for my work. (For instance the psychology of visual perception or the psychology of computer crime.) I was also trained in eastern psycho-techniques that I value more than western attempts to understand and to change a human's mind from outside.
Does this information make you happy?
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Date: 2019-02-05 09:19 pm (UTC)I just recognize when someone seems to have knowledge too and if he uses it on me.
Some phrases and choice of words just don't come from people who have absolutely no connection with a certain subject.
And people here have a habit to be like married to their jobs - they don't know such wording other than if they have a profession in it or if they once had to do therapy themselves. That's an observation made over years in different surroundings over and over again.
Thinking of it - what's so important for you about changing my mind?
What's the objective you want to achieve with that?
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Date: 2019-02-05 10:33 pm (UTC)Some questions are asked not to get information but to prove own assumptions.
...and if he uses it on me.
I could use my knowledge "on you" but I do not have such goals. I only repair the world picture you are trying to paint in my blog.
And people here have a habit to be like married to their jobs...
It seems, you interact with quite boring people. There are a lot of others who are proficient in many areas.
what's so important for you about changing my mind?
You are again mistaking me for your imaginary opponent. I had stated that you are unable to change. As a virtual character in comments you are good as you are now.
The distorted state of your internal representation of the world and your inability to notice faults in it are interesting only as symptoms of bigger problems of the society.
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Date: 2019-02-05 11:19 pm (UTC)Gleichfalls.
Why needing to repair? Why do you think you need to do that?
There are many people out there who could do so too and they don't give a damn.
What is so exceptional about you that you think you need to do that and, also, what makes you think you got the equipment for that?
Frankly speaking: I've already been banned for much less already. Barely anyone deals with a person in his comments column for at least a dozen comments.
Why you? Why you decide to endure this, as you don't have to?
Same same.
But this is an observation made on many different people, made in different places, over a course of years.
Meanwhile, there are already other German people openly complaining about the widespread "addiction for work" in their surroundings too.
So I can take it as a small reassurance of the theory it isn't just a regional problem, it's more widespread in this country in general.
Concluded this is: German people in general are often pretty boring outside of their jobs. There's something different with me from the average that I search for personal fulfillment in other fields.
Sounds selfish and self-centered, but, from a neutral perspective (sachlich), I encounter this over and over again even without directly wanting to judge people. It's an observation from my perspective.
You're walking right into your own trap...
Why do you tell somebody he can't change, but then continue to spend talking to him? What's the reason of this if there's no purpose behind this? I can't think that it's just only boredom and too much free time.
Every means of communication that you do also contains a piece of self-revelation about you. What is this here? I don't want a crystal ball, I want the truth.
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Date: 2019-02-06 07:46 am (UTC)This is a public discussion in my blog. You paint the world black. I simply state that you do not see the light.
This is not only for you but more for the people who will read this conversation. Maybe you will understand my points when you read it in 10 years. Maybe not.
Why you decide to endure this, as you don't have to?
Endure? You are to found of yourself. I am not afraid of you and it is not a problem for me to read and to write several lines.
German people in general are often pretty boring outside of their jobs.
All people are pretty boring outside of several topics about which they have something to say. IMVHO the best strategy is to find people who have similar interests and could widen your horizons.
I can't think that it's just only boredom and too much free time.
The problem is on your side.
Every means of communication that you do also contains a piece of self-revelation about you.
You are too naive. I can control this. There was a case when I had written in a forum as a female. I had got many funny comments about not understanding the man's nature.
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Date: 2019-02-06 11:42 am (UTC)Valid argument. If that's not what you want your space to represent, then there's an interest to counter certain speech.
It's good to hear that for me!
There are way too many people chickening out these days - and, believe me or not, they can be the worst enemies of your personal interests.
See? That's why I need the virtual space to hang out.
I figure that my inner world is not as intact as that of other people, it's just a recognition from looking at facts, so I can't just go on the street and ask people for if they have some knowledge or interest about subject X. Other than if I want a police unit to check my space or do worse.
People are like that here in certain topics, I needed to observe that from first person perspective already.
So I'm in need to go somewhere where the bandwidth of encountering someone with similar interests is more probably given.
And believe me, when I see how much same same the alleged interests of people in the WWW are - at least those of people from the Western countries -, it comes to mind for me that synchronization sometimes may be an understatement. It's not like solving that problem of meeting only boring people, it only pushes the probability up to encounter something else than that. At least that's what it's like to me...
Okay, got me in this...
But it just only reminds me to something from the past that I was forced to witness.
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Date: 2019-02-09 08:18 am (UTC)You can enjoy my small list of differences between Swiss and German education systems. It is in the public access this weekend.
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Date: 2019-01-30 02:59 pm (UTC)American educational system is somewhere there too.
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Date: 2019-01-30 03:35 pm (UTC)Here is a quote from a forensic psychiatric examination of an Exemplar to be placed in a foster parents family from 2018-07-12:
/When asked if the parents were against the school, he meant that they were against the school system. They had already shown him a video on YouTube about the American school system./ (Sorry German is also ugly and hazy.)
My son had told about the following PragerU videos he had seen on 2018-06-12:
- School Choice Saved My Life
- Why Teachers Unions Don't Want School Choice
- Teachers Unions vs. Students
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Date: 2019-01-30 03:38 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2019-01-30 04:13 pm (UTC)